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Cheating North College Park Part 2

Faithful readers, Marcus Afzali and SF think I missed something the first time through, when I said that on-campus students have no reason to vote.  By protecting a right the on-campus students will not exercise, the City is giving about three times as much power to a few homeowners in Berwyn and Lakeland as to the mass of voters in North College Park. 

I don't think I missed anything.  I was careful to specify the treatment of *on-campus* students as the source of the problem.  Off-campus students have good reason to vote, and sometimes they do.  I know of two off-campus grad students who have served on the City Council.  

Marcus Afzali thinks that students are affected by City regulations.  Not if they live on-campus, Marcus.   A students plays a stereo too loud?  Campus police handle it, not the city noise officer.  Dorm room doesn't meet health and safety standards?  City code enforcement can't help you.  Pothole opening up under your on-campus parking space? Don't look to College Park Public Works.  The City doesn't pick up trash on campus, it doesn't plow the snow off campus streets.  On-campus students don't play pickup soccer in the City parks...  Need I continue?  UMCP is responsible for all public services on campus other than fire and ambulance, which are county, not city.

SF tells of a student voter registration campaign to oppose a housing ordinance in Salisbury. I'm  familiar with the Salisbury situation; those are OFF-campus students you're talking about, SF.  They ought to vote, because the city ordinances affect them.  This is not true for ON-campus students, either here or there.  City ordinances will never affect on-campus students.

SF also wants to know how I would solve the problem.  That's too big a question to answer in a short blog post.  It will require change in both the city charter and the terms of College Park's settlement with the plaintiffs long ago.  The first step is to recognize a serious injustice.

Mark Shroder is president of NCPCA and former City Councilman for District 1.

 

Marcus Afzali

10:14 am on Friday, June 24, 2011

In the comments I made last time I stated that I agree with most of your reasoning - I just don't agree on campus students have "no reason" to vote. The diamondback wrote an editorial against the university last year when they were considering ending payment of the A & A tax to the city because students on campus or off have a vested interest in not seeing the city which host their university go into the gutter. But if you need a list of some reasons on campus students might have an interest in voting:

1. On campus students do actually leave campus at times. If you leave campus to come to a downtown bar or restaraunt or even have to walk from campus to the CP metro - you probably care about public safety in this city and therefore have a reason to care what stances elected officials in the city take on public safety issues, and you have a reason to vote. Just this year we had a divided vote on security cameras.

2. Very few on campus students live on campus all four years. Even if you're on campus now: The deicisions made today impacting off campus living could impact you tomorrow. From supporting or opposing new student developments in the city to supporting or opposing regulations on rental units.

3. The argument that living on campus means you should have no interest in seeing more unique restaraunts or shops in College Park, or any interest in seeing route 1 improved, or any interest in how this city looks or the city's reputation is an odd argument to make.

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Rick Hudson

10:43 am on Friday, June 24, 2011

Marcus, if I lived in Greenbelt or Hyattsville and worked in College Park I have an interest in CP exactly the same as all of those students who live ON CAMPUS, but I do not have the right to vote here. I see these as very similar. UMCP is for all intents and purposes its own municipality. It has its own Public Works, Code Enforcement (probaly refered to as Environmental Health and Safety) and Governmemnt (Student Council??? and the Administration). It even has its own police force... which is more the CP has!!! ;-)

Marcus Afzali

10:52 am on Friday, June 24, 2011

The fact is the University of Maryland is part of the City of College Park. Greenbelt and Hyattsville are not. Telling on campus students they don't have a right or reason to vote even though they live in the city seems wrong morally and highly questionably legally. How much one pays in taxes has never been and should never be a baseline on voting rights for citizens.

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Rick Hudson

1:49 pm on Monday, June 27, 2011

I never said they do not have the right to vote. I would venture a guess that most never change their residency from where they came from to be registerd voters in our district. My point was to say just because you have an interest, as anyone from another city who commutes to CP for work/recreation or students who study at U of M and do not change their voter registration from their home city/state, does not entitle you to a vote. If they want to register, great. Please participate! But if they do not register, too bad for them. Then they truly are no diferent from a Bethesda resident who works in CP.

Mark Shroder

2:40 pm on Sunday, June 26, 2011

Marcus,
I never said that on-campus students don't have the right to vote. They do and they will.
But they will never exercise it.
By claiming to protect a right the on-campus students will not exercise, the City is giving about three times as much power to a homeowner in Berwyn as to a homeowner in North College Park.
Historically, a few homeowners in College Park Woods have been similarly privileged under this system.
Time for a change.
Mark

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Pamela Torro

11:13 am on Wednesday, June 29, 2011

This is a very valid point. I don't really see how it could be addressed other than breaking up dorms/on campus housing into each of the districts. I don't even know if that would work. But yes, it is true the District 2 essentially has more power than District one.

Aaron Zaccaria

12:24 am on Monday, June 27, 2011

Its really a blow not only to students and residents, but also the well being of our town, when we focus on ways we can discourage citizen participation in government, especially the youth. The fact is that College Park is a city, and within that city is a University that generates local tourism, investment, commercial development and use of public services.

To suggest that students on-campus don't have a say in College Park elections is not only ludicrous but also irresponsible. To chastise students for 1) not paying taxes like everyone else and 2) for living on campus is only adding fuel to a fire of poor public attitudes that a number of citizens, students and officials are working hard to fix. The University population hardly operates in a vacuum, and as much as I hate to admit it, those students also make up for the odd University tax system through parking fines, speeding tickets, buying from local businesses, rent payment, etc.

You are right Mr. Shroder in that it is time for change. Studies within the community of City Planning have shown that neighborhoods can only benefit from collaboration and partnership. The unwarranted and unjustified generalization of students - particularly as booze crazed degenerates - only distracts from civic engagement AND opportunities to put pressure on the real villains of our little town: corporate chains, lack of state funding, loss of entrepreneurial interest, and lack of a true city center.

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Mark Shroder

9:13 am on Monday, June 27, 2011

Mr. Zaccaria: My daughter graduated from UMCP a year ago. She lived for for years in dorms and in Courtyards. She is not a "booze crazed degenerate." (I never used those words. Take responsibility for your language.) She is seriously intent on a career in science. She is not particularly serious about the development of or public services in College Park. She voted once in a City election because her father was a former Council member. The vast majority of on-campus students will not vote because they do not pay taxes to the City and do not receive services from the City. Not this year, not in two years, not ever.

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Ron Alford

10:55 pm on Tuesday, June 28, 2011

I don't think this is an issue the city can fix as long as College Park has a district system. As far as I know, equal population districts are mandated by federal voting rights law. I suppose CP could 'fix' this with come crazy gerrymandering scheme, but I doubt it.

In Greenbelt (an entirely at-large council), we recently talked about moving to a district system in response to an ACLU challenge. If we had implemented this in the last election, we would have had one rep voted in with 282 votes, and one rep voted in with 4000(!) votes. The districts would have had roughly the same number of voters, but one population votes in most elections, and the other mostly votes only during national elections.

Completely at-large elections have their own problems, especially plurality voting (the standard around here), which often locks out minority views (i.e., the students). There are proportional voting schemes that go a long towards finding the best of both worlds.

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qt3

7:19 pm on Wednesday, June 29, 2011

Who cares about the students? If anything we dont want them to vote so we can place more restrictions on what they can and can't do.

treehugr

11:28 am on Friday, July 1, 2011

Redistrict centered on the campus. Allocate slices of campus to each district so the non-voters are allocated evenly. Easy peasy!

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